need some help for athiest vs. christian on topic-> creation

davidche SG

Hello,

I will be doing a speech, taking the side of the christians talking about the subject creation against athiests' beliefs, sort of proving their theory(nature is self existing) wrong.

I will base my speech on 3(or 4) arguements/ main points

I have already confirmed to explain - and how it object the atheists:
-first cause ,
-entropy thermodynamics thingy,

The last one or two i still have no clues yet,.
Do you guys have any sources or websites that can provide me other points besides what i have listed.
Ill be doing a one-sided argument, . Very Happy

I remember reading one that explains basically that the earth is increasing its size or sth...

Pls offer me some help.

Thanks alot
Cheers and God bless Wink

Icemoon SG

who is the audience?

who is the grader?

duration of speech?

Chin Eng SG

what language? English or Taiwanese? Laughing

Don't be lazy, do your own research. Otherwise why pick such a difficult topic?

sillyme SG

Such a big topic. Is this going to be evaluated?

Chin Eng SG

my point exactly...

dave... seriously, if it's for a class oratory exercise, it is better off to be a little more balance instead of presenting only one side...

just goggle lah... type CREATIONISM, or type EVOLUTION, and viola... tons of info.

davidche SG

nope, its a very small exercise, which is why i only need 3-4 main points.

5 mins presentation only. Laughing

I chose this topic because it forces me to learn on these area.

Very easy thing lah, no evaluation or what de.... its for oral comn lesson Very Happy

Also, it has nothing to do with evolution, can touch a little on that...

teacher wants me to do one sided to save time....
Plus i am not really trying to reach to any conclusion regarding the topic.

davidche SG

classmates

Eng teacher

5 mins

Laughing

The reason i put this topic here is because i think you people would have more links to the resources.

Chin Eng SG

simple. one sided argument? Just quote Genesis.

davidche SG

some science and reasoning would be good....

simply said, what else can you add on to the list(that i made in the first post) that supports my stand.

Chin Eng SG

you are stepping onto some grey areas here..... science and reasoning MAY bring you into the realm of evolution.

if the entire exercise is for the purpose of oratory, science and reasoning are not that important.

again.... you need to DEFINE the PURPOSE of this exercise.

davidche SG

the purpose of this exercise is to exercise oral presentation.

I pick my stand first, which is christianity, and oppose atheist,..regarding the topic of creation, since atheist veiw this issue differently from christians.

Wheres the difference? atheist believe that there is no God. They believe that nature is self-existing,

So i have to prove them wrong. I only have to say my side of the view can liao.

So i start by saying the first cause theory, like what it is... and why this theory opposes the atheists' belief.

Next, i say the second law of thermodynamics................

so what other points can i make?

davidche SG

of course at anytime i can change my topic to creation vs evol lah, but it would require more research as i have no books at hand.
Or i can also include some evol stuffs if i am in lack of content.

Pure reasoning is good enough really,

Like for example(not correct) the earth is growing bigger, so from this you know that the earth started from very small.(then grows bigger and bigger until today)... thus, there has to be a creation. sth like that.....

ill reply with some egs from book tmr. logic is sooo complicated..

Ito_^ SG

juz shout "UR ALL GOING TO HELL! BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA for 5 minutes"

confirm A+ grade! Very Happy

Icemoon SG

Then Unker Eng can help you. He does product presentation as part of his job you know. Laughing

So any idea how to make your presentation impressive?

Maybe you can do with some props?

My xp tells me those who are more creative usually get higher marks.

stupidissmart SG

If your presentation is to be made in a class of your school and not in your church, then I seriously ask u to reconsider changing your topic to a secular topic. Tis is especially true since it touches on religion and worst still, being one sided and using pseudo science which have been proven wrong from the scientific point of view. You may be bringing potential problem to your teacher who must not propagate any religion and he may not be happy about it. Like it or not, u r propagating your religion in your supposed presentation. If he is not happy, u won’t be happy with your grade.

Icemoon SG

I suggest you plan the structure then the content. The points are not really important.

Plan how you are going to start. Start with a bang to grab the audience's attention? Tell anecdotes? Maybe you can tailor your points to fit whatever attention grabbing anecdotes you can find?

If you have stories to tell, you won't need so many points.

SumOne SG

Can't you choose a different topic or subject?

Chin Eng SG

...then the "facts" in the content is less important than the presentation itself.

Originally posted by davidche:
I pick my stand first, which is christianity, and oppose atheist,..regarding the topic of creation, since atheist veiw this issue differently from christians.

Wheres the difference? atheist believe that there is no God. They believe that nature is self-existing,

So i have to prove them wrong. I only have to say my side of the view can liao.

You assume that the Christian view is that "evolution" does not exist. I think it is safer to say that the Christian view is that MAN did not come from APES. Period! Beyond that it is proven that there is such a thing as "evolution" - ie, that living things do change over time - that is evolution. See: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/evolution. So please don't make the mistake that there is a pure Christian view and a pure non-Christian view.

As I'd said in a previous thread, I am one of those Christians that believe that there is some form of evolution - and that this form of evolution does not come into conflict with the creation story.

sillyme SG

Allow me to say something. Five minutes is too short for such a big topic. There will be a lot of uncovered points.

Since this is an oratory exercise, read something light and focus on your pronunciation and diction.

Chin Eng SG

Yup.... this is ONLY an oratory exercise. No need to get all preachy and tackle such a difficult subject.

...watch "The Arena" Laughing